When I die, I want to free up real estate so that others can more easily take my place. So I don’t like the idea of being buried in the ground. Just incinerate my body and spread the ashes to the wind.
Or better yet, let me feed the wildlife, by giving me a Tibetan-style Sky Burial.
The finality of death is chilling. I like to dispel the chill by assuming there’s a hereafter. I like to assume that the only finality is the end of our history on this earth, and that somehow our consciousness will migrate to a different realm.
We simply move on, to chase new unicorns in new ways.
Don’t get me wrong, I have no inside information on this subject. And I’m willing to agree that I could be living in a fool’s paradise. But for me, a fool’s paradise beats the depression and abject terror that would darken my every remaining day, if I assumed there is no more life after our bodies cease to function.
So I can watch a Tibetan Sky Burial with hope, rather than horror. I see death as a change, and quite possibly a change for the better. And this thought of death as change leaves me looking forward, to some degree, to my last day on this crazy earth.
Tibetan Sky Burials tend to attract audiences of Chinese tourists. And the monks who conduct these burials sometimes complain about the tourists, viewing them and their cell phone cameras as desecrating a solemn event.
And yet Buddhism teaches us to embrace impermanence. One way to embrace the impermanence of life, is to come face-to-face with this vulturine approach to the disposal of dead bodies. So I like that audiences and cell phone cameras are allowed.
You too can be part of the audience, by watching the following video.
But I must warn you: If you’re squeamish, you might want to keep a barf bucket nearby.
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I routinely get to watch black vultures and turkey vultures perform deer sky burials on the side of the roads where I live. That is the state’s solution, and even though it is a bit disgusting I think it is a good solution. We have a very large population of vultures around here these days and it is illegal to interfere with them.
Deer enjoy a symbiotic relationship with man around here as they can’t be hunted in most places and we have driven away all of their other natural predators. Then vultures also get a nice symbiotic relationship with man as our vehicles are the deer’s new unnatural predator, but a predator that does not consume the carcass.
I love nature.
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Having lived in Texas hill country, I can remember many dead deer carcasses by the side of the road, while commuting from Buchanan Dam to Burnet. I was very poor, and a bit tempted to interfere with the vultures, for my share of the protein, whether or not it was legal.
But vultures are nature’s undertakers, and perform an essential job. So these days I would never interfere with them.
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As an aside, it would take 50,000,000,000,000 graves to fill the land area of the earth if we don’t bury people on top of other people. That is 10,000 times as many people as there are in existence. So, if everyone was buried in their own grave, it would take up a hundredth of a percent of the land.
Just to ease your mind.
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That’s reassuring. Just the same, cemeteries seem to me like a waste of space. As do Indian burial grounds. There’s nothing sacred about them, in my view. I’m all for leaving room for those who follow, even if it is just a tiny bit of room.
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It seems like our modern burial techniques are designed to preserve the carcass for centuries to come. I can’t really say that I understand why. We have the same sort of issue here that the ancient Egyptians did, I suppose.
I am ok with just burying me in a good hole and letting the worms and microbes do their business. Leave a stone marker that will probably only be relevant for a century or two. Maybe an archeologist will find me as a curiosity in a few thousand years. I have seen the mummies on display at a museum and thought to myself “boy, their plans did not work out the way they thought. Here they are a couple of thousand years later, on another continent, with a bunch weird people paying to look at their bodies.”
Even the best remembered person will be lost to history in a few thousand years. Our entire species may be lost to history in a few million years. Eventually the sun will die a violent death and either destroy our earth or anything close to its surface. Even if Earth does survive the death of the sun, several billion years later it will eventually fall into the white dwarf carcass of the sun and be finally destroyed. And then, if dark energy theory is to be believed, all of the matter that makes up the earth, the sun, and us will be eventually torn apart as dark energy eventually grows to overpower every other force. Who knows. We are pretty temporary in the universe, it appears.
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That’s a pretty funny view of those Egyptian mummies. Yeah, the poor bastards. Things have not worked out for them at all.
You’re right about being forgotten, because nothing is permanent. Even the most famous human will one day cease to exist in known history.
Buddhists have this theory that’s quite similar to the Big Bang. According to them, the universe follows a cycle of birth and death. It was born spontaneously, it will expand for awhile, and then one day it will collapse upon itself and disintegrate, only to start anew again.
I agree, we are very temporary. But as long as we continue to be temporary, I have no problem with that.
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HI TG. An interesting Post but I have to ask why “The finality of death is chilling”? Such a dismal perspective on the inevitable. I would like to believe in a “hereafter”, but am realistic enough to know that nothing is assured … but there is nothing “chilling” about it to me.
I am already slowly losing touch with the world, and have difficulty projecting much of a future for our species over the next 50-100 years. I can remember my grandmother preaching “doom and gloom”, which was probably understandable as she had lived through two world wars and knew that the nuclear bombs which devastated Japan would totally change warfare in the future to something close to total annihilation.
I would like to live another 10 years or so but, after that, I think that I will be quite happy to take a permanent break from the world. The finality of death? Quite possibly, but chilling? Hell … no. If I have any say in my timing, it will be simply another adventure! 🙂
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For me, it’s chilling because I love life. But it’s only chilling if I consider death to be completely final.
If it’s just the end to my adventure on earth, and the beginning of my next adventure somewhere else, then of course there’s nothing chilling about that.
The problem is, we don’t know, and can’t know what awaits us after we draw our last breath, until maybe after we draw our last breath.
The mystery can be at once exciting and terrifying. And chilling when I consider the possibility that this might be all there is.
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Okay … but to pickup on your last statement re “might be all there is.” What else would you like it to be? There is still time to make changes if so desired.
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Oh, I see. Well, about 10 or 20 or so more years on this earth would be alright with me, as long as the state of my health is not too much torture. But once my health takes a permanent nosedive into the dungeon of terrible pain, I’d like to get out of here. Because in my view, pain is the only true death.
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That sounds a bit of a political diversion from the question, so let me try again. If your life to to date can be summed up with “This might be all there is?”, What else would you like it to be? Your context did not suggest the answer would be simply more time.
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Hmm, I guess I just don’t understand the question. Is that all there is to the question?
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Only if that is what you want. If you want more, then you have to determine what it is you want and then re-phrase the question accordingly.
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I’ll have to think about that. From a variety of angles.
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Oh it figures you all get on a deep subject when my brain is tired. There are things I could say BUT …. did I mention my brain is tired. I will aum it up this way. You all keep that hope alive for adventure on the other side and there may just be hope for both of you yet! 🙂
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Just enjoy a deep sleep. When you wake up, I’m sure you’ll have some deep thoughts to contribute. They might come to you in your dreams.
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So it occurred to me today that I read your post, but I hadn’t watched the video. Was going to watch it after my nap and then 2 certain people who shall remain nameless, may have distracted me with their words when I got up!
I just watched the video now, well, I half watched it, had to stop when all the vultures flew in. I don’t need no big expensive casket, BUT… this way… No thanks!!
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It can be a hard video to watch. But it gives me an entrepreneurial inspiration. People could actually make a profit off their funerals, rather than pay through the nose, by selling their bodies for bird food.
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Oh gosh! Shaking my head!
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How does one “aum” it up?
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Well in a very similar way that one “sums” it up, but yet different. Sorry if I confused you, easy to do, isn’t it! 😄
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Yes.I have that problem when ESL is a factor. I just assume an English speaking country can … well … speak English. I only know an aum as a European unit of liquid measure, and an acronym for Assets Under Management … and neither fits your context. Go figure eh!:)
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…mmm…!!
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I thought “aum” was something you chanted while meditating.
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You are correct. The Moody Blues “In Search of the Lost Chord” I believe. Final album track.
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I wonder if this means that Carolyn is feeling moody and blue today. I know I would be if I had to stay up all night.
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Oh my gosh, how could that mean…..No, I just woke up from a nap, i feel fine but how nice of you to show some “sympathy”.
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Yes.You should say thank you.
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….smack goes my head!…
Nope, not happening ,you 2 stooges!
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Ordinarily I’d say you were being rude. But I can understand why you feel so moody today.
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Oooh you didn’t say that!
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I think he did … at least that is what I read here.
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You are so “helpful!”
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Yes I know, and you’re so rude. Calling us stooges, and not saying thank you. Having a “blue mood” possibly? Just “moody” perhaps? Emerald blues perhaps is the problem?
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I am not moody but I sure may be wishing I could reach through the computer!
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Go for it. You may capture some bits and bytes which might be useful to someone so challenged in social etiquette. Beware the security software though. It might just delete you!
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“Haha!!”
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Well if you don’t like “stooges” I am sure I could come up with some other names! I would be glad to! 🙂
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He is. You should thank him.
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Oh you stooges are slow learners aren’t you! Remember according to you I am moody so how could I be polite and show gratitude. Guess it can’t happen. So sad!
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I have a poem here to go public with so …. how about an apology for being rude to both of us, and a thank you to both of us for being so nice to you despite your bad manners. What say you?
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Whoa wait …what??
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You have until 9:30pm tonight. If no apology and no thank you, it goes public exactly at 9:30pm!
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It’s 9:27pm
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It’s 9:28pm
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It’s 9:29pm
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It’s 9:30pm
So many years ago
He found himself a bride
Her parents were so glad
At last now she was going
At last she was leaving their home
Everyone was happy… poor Brad.
*
Her sisters were delighted
That she was getting wed
It was no secret they were glad
They stifled their smiles
As she walked down the aisle
They couldn’t help thinking… poor Brad
*
He suffered her humor
Put up with her quirks
And then a child they had
Dizzy with excitement
Illogical as ever
Carolyn was a challenge… poor Brad
*
A second child followed
Much to Carolyn’s delight
And Brad was, once again, a Dad.
“Dizzy Lizzy” was confused
Puzzled and rather perplexing
But our thoughts go out to poor Brad.
*
So many years have now gone by
So much time has passed
Was it really all that bad?
Well by all accounts
At least from what we hear
All we can say is …poor Brad!
*
Now over 20 years later
We just shake our heads
She’s obviously quite mad!
We’ve known her for almost two years
And she does have really nice kids
But… we just have to say… poor Brad
*
Brad is surely a martyr
Suffering the confusion
It really is quite sad
For Carolyn, being so short
If she asked what we thought… we’d say (while looking down)
It’s alright for you… but… poor Brad!
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OOOOH after I get a good night’s sleep tomorrow the tables will turn! That wasn’t minutes, that was seconds that you gave me! Shaking my head!! But if you really thought that was going to get you an apology or that other word, you were so wrong! For I do believe that poem went public a few years ago, so nope the “blackmail” didn’t work! Ha!
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No problem. I have a number of emails that would entertain TG.
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Wow, free entertainment tonight. Why oh why did I subscribe to Netflix? Yes, go ahead with those emails.
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Umm…don’t I get a say in this “free sntertainment!
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Of course you do. You just have to apologize and say thank you to both of us! 🙂
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I don’t give in to “blackmail”……… BUT …. being the extremely kindhearted, sweet person that I am I will be niiiiiiice, while inwardly I ….. ….mmmm..
I am sssssssssssssoooorrry and Thanks.
There you go. 🙂
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Do we accept that TG? I am not sure that she is being genuine.
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Sure, I’ll accept it. But I’m not sure why she’s apologizing. Was somebody asking her to apologize?
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Ooooh….you….are…..
Nope, not going to mention it!
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Oh hey, don’t mention it.
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“don’t mention it…” I …. yeah, I won’t mention it!
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Thank you.
See, I know how to apologize.
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Oops, I meant that I know how to express gratitude.
Sorry.
See, I know how to say thank you.
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Oh yes don’t you and meanwhile I am just going to tske deep breaths and count to 100, like someone advised me to do!
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10, 10. Don’t worry, you only have to make it to 10. If you can. You can stop at 5 if you really want to.
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You are too kind!
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You’re welcome.
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LOL! I found it. Yup, you said it, you were right.
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He is right? Did you ever have any doubts? 🙂
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Wellll…..I don’t anymore. 🙂
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The fact that you did would suggest that he deserves another apology. 🙂
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Ooooh the fact that you actually think I am going to give another apology would suggest ….
I don’t know….maybe that you are crazy! 😉
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You called Colin crazy? I think you should apologize.
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Oh you didn’t say that! Now you are as crazy as him!
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Ssh! I don’t think he heard me, which means he doesn’t know he is Crazy, with a Capital C, which means I don’t have to apologize!
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Alright. Mum’s the word. I’m not callin’ Colin.
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Haha!
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You tell her.
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You think thats really going to help. 🙂
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Sounds to me like you’re feeling big for your britches.
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Nothing wrong with a little confidence, right. Let me enjoy the feeling while it lasts!
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Okay. But I must warn you. I was once the third-runner-up in a Mr. Punyverse contest.
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Isn’t that nice. Would you like a gold star? 🙂
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Yes.
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⭐⭐ There I even gave you a bonus one, you are Welcome! 🙂
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(((thankyou)))
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LOL! You are so polite!
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I have a headache now.
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Perhaps you just need to say it like a dozen more times and then your head won’t hurt anymore.
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You first.
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Ummm….you may be waiting awhile!
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I will put it this way he has as much luck getting another apology as I have in getting you to write a “Happy Brad” poem! How long have I been trying!
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I’m gonna remember this. Yes, another arrow for my quiver.
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….smacking my head….!
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Never, deep down inside her heart.
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Yup, no doubt about it, I def believe you are crazy, deep down inside my heart! LOL! 😀
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🤪
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Heh-heh.
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Hey something occurred to me. I was “strongly encouraged” to show manners but where is my “you are welcome!”after the thank you that I said??? I am waiting!
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I’m sure Colin’s shock and surprise at you actually saying “Thank you” left him speechless. I will also note that I, myself, did say “You’re welcome.” But you haven’t thanked me for saying that.
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Oooh yeah I am sure thats it! And “cough,cough!” Excuse me! What did you say? Oh thats right you said ,”Don’t mention it!” so I didn’t. 😄
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If you’ll check the comments in this thread, you will find a “You’re welcome” from me. It sticks out like a sore thumb. In fact, it sorely hurt to say it.
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LOL! Oh I will have to look and for some reason I highly doubt that it hurt as much as it did for me to say “Thankyou” and “Sorry”!!
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It gave me a migraine.
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I don’t know. What’s “sntertainment”? Poor Brad.
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“No comment!”
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That poem really says it all. It’s very touching, and leaves me feeling sympathetic and sad for poor Brad.
Carolyn should thank Brad for putting up with her.
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“Touching!” Did you read the same poem that I did?? You are as delusional as Brad was when he told me what a “wonderful” poem it was!
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I don’t know. I think he could have only been delusional if you read the poem to him.
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Totally agree. It can’t be easy. 😦 🙂
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😝
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Well then, when you get over your mood you should thank him. And then apologize for being so moody.
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I’m not moody you goofball! So no not apologizing for being moody, being that I am not. Understand … or should I say it slower for you, so you can comprehend it easier. 🙂
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Whew. Take it easy Carolyn. Just c-a-a-a-l-l-l-m down. Hold your breath, or take a deep one, or something, and count to ten (if you can), and try to compose yourself.
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I am surprised you guys computers haven’t exploded yet from the daggers my eyes have sent! LOL! 😝
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Umm, daggers don’t explode. They may puncture and stab and slice, but they never explode. (Poor Brad).
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Oh gosh… No, no, no, I do not need another person repeating that “poor Brad” phrase!
Colin!!!
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Poor Brad. She’s a lost cause!
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……mmm….!
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Indeed! Poor Brad!
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Also, daggers are best thrown with the hands, not the eyes. You can go blind doing that.
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Nope these are different!
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No they’re not. The iifference is your highly questionable knowledge of the English Language. What is your native language really? We know it’s not English.
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How’s this for starters:
I should have also mentioned how hard of hearing she is. She quite often misunderstands what people say.
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LOL! Oh gosh! But hey I apologized!
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Ooops! I am so sorry. My finger accidentally hit the Send button. Silly me!
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Yeah, right!!!
I mean…..no problem! 🙂
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Yeah, for some reason she must have thought we were asking her to apologize.
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Gee!! Why on earth would I have thought that the 2 …… ….mmm….! I probably really should go to bed but just for the record, I don’t give in to blackmajl my cra….. my friends!
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Good. So when someone tries to blackmail you, don’t ask us for help.
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It’s not blackmail TG. She is going on about blackmajl.
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Oh geez. Now I know what Brad goes through all the time. Poor guy.
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Don’t ask you 2 ….. for “help”??? Excuse me, I feel a big cough coming on!!!
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Cover your mouth.
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Blackmajl is such a nasty word (whatever it means) isn’t it.
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“So funny”
But yes I forgot the more pleasant term that I heard before from someone…Hmmm…..something about “persuasion” I think.
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I truly believe she said I didn’t say something, when clearly I said it.
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Yup. She’s gone!
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Geez, you sound a little moody.
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…mmmmm….!
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…. and probably blue ……. Aummmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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I soooo need a new expression to respond with! Or they need to make more emojis to choose from!
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Aummmmmmmmmm … Aummmmmmmmmm … Heaaaaaaaaaven.
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Just in case you didn’t see the reply I made to Tippy I will let you know as well. Keep the perspective of a great adventure coming and there just may be hope for you yet! 🙂
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I don’t believe in a sky daddy, but it’s a nice thought that consciousness/energy/spirit continues in some way — even if it’s just in the DNA or relationships we leave behind. I’m a fan a cremation. Puts out some carbon, but at least it doesn’t have another species develop a taste for human flesh…
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Consciousness is all very mysterious and metaphysical to me. Nobody really knows what it is, and yet we live in it all the time, every day. I hope it does somehow survive bodily death and continues on, because I enjoy my consciousness.
I’m not worried about vultures having a taste for human flesh. I suspect they’ve already had the taste for as long as we humans have been around.
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And vultures are only interested in eating something that is already dead. I’m the same way.
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You mean, you’re already dead?
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No Tippy! Read his comment again. He is saying that, like vultures, he is only interested in eating dead stuff.
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So he’s a vulture?
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Well … in his eating preferences …. yes!
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So he likes to eat vultures?
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Dead ones perhaps.You should be asking him, not me. 🙂
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Dark Matter and Dark Energy could be a lot of things… Got followed by a few vultures once when I was exhausted on the bike, out of water, and 12 miles from nowhere in 100-degree heat. They don’t need encouragement.
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Yikes. That would be a little frightening. Now I understand your aversion to the birds.
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Absolutely. You might want to try a 90 degree perspective first. It might must be the right angle.
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Drats. I was attempting the left angle.
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Sad! Sounds like the joyroses13 influence.
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That would be the wrong angle.
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Probably an obtuse angle?
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…mmm…!!
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That would be my reflexive conclusion.
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Just simple logic eh! Poor Brad (her hubby). I wrote a poem called “Poor Brad”. I must see if I can find it given that she is being rude to us.:)
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That would be a good thing for poor Brad, if we can commiserate with him.
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My thinking at the moment as well!
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Oooh what “lovely” comments are springing up!
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Umm…excuse me? Care to explain?
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Nope! It’s obvious.
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Lefts and rights are a problem for you aren’t they! I seem to remember another conversation where you were having trouble with your left and right foot!
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I figured it out. You lift your left foot while keeping your right foot off the ground.
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She won’t get it TG. Everybody (apart from JR) knows that if both feet are off the ground, you cannot possibly put your foot in it!
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Oooh you are sooo funnny!
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Alas, that is a lesson she’ll never learn. What was that again?
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I’d be fine with a Tibetan sky burial but my plan is for a green burial. Just wrap me in a burlap shroud and plant me in the ground with a tree atop me, to nourish. I think that would be just grand.
Deb
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That sounds pleasant. I think that’s about the only kind of ground burial I could go for. But I would want that tree to grow nice and tall, so that buzzards can roost in it.
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Okay I won’t lie that was a little shocking. I have questions. Why so many dead children included at once? I can understand some of it but at least keep their dignity by covering them. Ugh.
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I don’t know. Maybe they all died in a bus accident or something. There seem to be a lot of deadly bus accidents in third-world countries.
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True.
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The video was fascinating. I’d only read of these, and the version described the body being pulverized with rocks in order to not leave a skeleton. In an environment where firewood is likely a precious commodity and the landscape doesn’t facilitate burial , I can see how this would be a pragmatic approach to not leaving a landscape littered with the dead.
Perhaps a cultural and/or family exposure thing, but not particularly squeamish. I was the one who volunteered to blow air down the trachea to inflate the removed lungs from the A&P cadaver in college.
My dad was a physician. And the full, two-day Japanese Buddhist funeral traditionally includes the deceased at the first night’s drunken party, as well as the communal moving of the bones after the cremation. There’s even a Buddhist meditation on death that sorta takes the wind out of its sails.
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Wow, inflating a pair of dead human lungs must have been a trip. I guess if you can do that, you’re not squeamish. Or you’ll be cured of any squeamishness you might have.
I’ve heard of a Buddhist meditation on death where you spend the night meditating in a graveyard. I’ve never done that, but I have spread the ashes of a few cremated relatives. It’s illegal, so first I dug through the cremains to find and remove the identifying tags. Didn’t bother me, but I’m not sure I could handle inflating someone’s lungs.
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Carefully and methodically disassembling a no longer functioning human body really drives it home that we’re just squishy machines. Once we quit working, it’s just a collection of parts. What always bothered me more was the terribly broken condition of so many of the still living who I saw in Cambodia.
Disassembly always took place before dinner. After dinner, the class would reconvene for discussion. The tough part was trying to eat when all you could smell was formaldehyde.
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Sounds to me like you were in med school, or some other medical science class.
That would be tough, seeing all those suffering people. I understand many lost limbs due to land mines.
If you can eat dinner after taking apart a dead body, I’d say you’re not squeamish. Although formaldehyde probably isn’t very appetizing.
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A re-tread Pre-Med… (nice way of saying I washed out and moved on to something else). I’d have been a terrible doctor.
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Ah, I see. I hope you found a career you’re happy with.
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Indeed… Early retirement!
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I can’t think of any career better than that.
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