Stolen Quote: Shithole Countries

Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here? ~ Donald Trump

This question was asked by our president very close to the Martin Luther King, Jr holiday. So I thought I’d just go ahead and steal the quote from Big Orange, and answer it for him on this day.

First of all, unlike so many of our president’s critics, I agree that there really are some shithole countries out there. I’m with you on that point, Mr. Prez.

I know I sure as hell wouldn’t want to live in a country like Haiti. Nor would I want to live in just about any country in Africa. From what I hear on the news, these countries are rife with all kinds of problems, such as poverty and corruption. And then there are the civil wars, religious fighting, dictatorships, and on and on.

No, I agree, there really are some shithole countries beyond our borders.

But the question you asked, Mr. President, is why are we allowing people from those countries come here?

The way I see it, most of our ancestors came from shithole countries. I’m part Irish and British, and a bunch of other European blood. When the Irish immigrated here they were escaping famine, poverty, British oppression, and so on. What a shithole country Ireland was back then.

For that matter, when the pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock, they too were escaping a shithole country. What shits the British were, for all the religious persecution that drove those pilgrims onto the Mayflower.

And every other European country has been a shithole country at one time or another.

America has traditionally been a place of escape from shithole countries. That’s why we allow the poor huddled masses, yearning to breathe free, to reach our shores and inhale deeply.

If this has been harmful to us, then we would be one of the worst countries in the world to live in. But in spite of our problems, and we do have a few, I say we are one of the best, if not THE best nation on earth. In fact I would go so far as to say that immigration is one of the main reasons we have such a great country.

The escapees who travel so far to reach our shores tend to be the brightest and best. Consider their motivation. Consider that they come here to better themselves. Consider that they want to live free and prosperous. These are the very kind of motivated folks we want. They are like our ancestors, who built this great nation. They are willing to work hard to make a better life for themselves, and their community.

We skim the cream of the crop from the shithole nations. We win, they lose. Maybe after they lose enough of their best and brightest they’ll learn to treat their citizens better, and stop being such shitholes.

So there’s the best answer I can give to our President (other than the way I cast my vote in 2020).

Happy Martin Luther King, Jr day to you! And whether you are an immigrant or not, may all your dreams come true.


  • Yes, that’s the best answer that you could give – probably that anyone could give – to that question. And it is a non-answer, a falsehood, and something very wrong.

    There is no measurable, valid reason to allow people who bring nothing to benefit America inside our borders. They become just a drain and a source of problems as they cannot function viably within our society anymore than we could do so in the shitholes they come from.

    When labor was largely muscle-powered and we had a small population compared to our landmass this was a quite different story – though you might want to ask one or more of the Indigenous Americans how that went. These days, with the size of population vs. the available jobs that can support people – especially ones with no modern skills and often no functional use of the English language, things are quite different.

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    • Sounds to me like you worry about the competition to our livelihoods, and the drain on our tax dollars that immigrants may pose. If that’s the case, then perhaps it would be best to ban immigrants from any nation. Europeans are about as educated as us, and would thus compete well for the best jobs. Haitians and Africans, on the other hand, tend to be less well-educated (I assume), and would possibly subsist on welfare.

      Trump wants to allow immigrants from the non-shithole countries, such as Norway. But in keeping with your argument, even those citizens would not be allowed in.

      I do kind of go along with your reasoning. I hate to see rising population in our country. It’s getting a bit crowded at over 300 million. But if we’re going to ban immigration, let’s do it across the board, and not in a targeted manner.


      • In the context of the “shitholers,” I’m worried about the drain they present but not about competition for the most part. They’re only qualified for the lowest of manual labor (sad but true) in the US and, hence, don’t represent any real competition since there’s plenty of menial jobs to go around.

        I am more than concerned about competition from other immigrants though, though not ones from Europe. We’ve been dealing with being on the loosing end of global competition for American jobs for decades from the H1-Bs being brought over from places like India and China. They work cheaper – a lot cheaper – than Americans for the same job and our people lose out to them – i.e., my wife lost her job to an Indian H1-B who’d do the job for 50% of what they’d been paying her.

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        • That’s very sad. There seems to be some abuse of the H1-B program, at the expense of people like your wife. When workers from other lands come in and take away good paying jobs, it can lead to a lot of resentment. We do need protection for the careers we’ve invested our lives into.


  • I think your “Prez” needs to go spend a year living in one of those countries as they live. See how long he’d last.
    Happy Martin Luther King Day to you.

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  • Thanks for sharing a good write for MLK Day.

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  • It stands to reason that people would immigrate to the USA to improve their station in life. People in Norway work fewer hours than we do, get paid more, enjoy free health care and child care, have time with their families and plenty of paid vacation. Tell me, why would they want to come here? Only people from really poor desperate countries would consider the USA a step up… I think big business is giving away more of our jobs (by moving their operations and factories to poorer nations to take advantage of cheap labor) than illegal immigrants are taking by coming here. Face it, out-of-work Americans aren’t exactly chomping at the bit to forfeit their welfare checks and reclaim jobs like scrubbing hotel toilets or picking tomatoes in the hot sun. Minimum wage is so low that it doesn’t make sense to work if you have to pay for childcare in order to do it. I don’t know what the answer is, but I think Bernie Sanders was onto something.

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    • You make many good points, in my view. The best reason I can think of for a Norwegian to immigrate here would be for warmer weather.

      A few years ago, one of the southern states really clamped down on illegal immigrants. I think it was South Carolina. They did such a good job at driving the illegals away that their agricultural industry foundered. I guess nobody else wanted to do that kind of work. So finally they relaxed their immigration laws, in order to avoid economic disaster. I suppose they prefer illegal immigrants to raising their minimum wage.

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  • The characteristic of “shitholiness” is merely relative, and it makes sense that anyone (with a functional nose, anyway) would seek to reduce their environmental stench. But comparative relationships can change over time. My family came to the US from Japan in the 70s because it was a relative shithole due to social unrest, poor infrastructure and pollution. Presently, however, I’ve been seriously considering taking advantage of my Japanese registry to reduce the amount of self-sanitizing that’s become required of Americans. Taiwan might be even better, if the mainland can resist shitting on it. So if a country wants to reduce the level of shittiness required to encourage immigration, it first needs to make itself less shitty than than its competitors.

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    • It’s amazing how things can change over time. However, not all Americans do that self-sanitizing stuff. Perhaps it’s all in who you hang out with.

      I hear Taiwan is a beautiful country. In fact, I think you told me that. Of course, there is the problem of the mainland having claims on it.

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